Recently in the news was a US$1.5 million compensation for a maid being tortured by the Indian Consul General.
I was all the while wondering if this could be true, et all. The fact is that I am a lot cynical when it comes to such kind of news. The head and the heart refuse to agree to each other. With the kind of education and social status that the person in question has, I wonder if she could ever met out such barbaric treatment to another human being. This is what a sane mind of mine thinks. While the heart has a completely opposite perspective. It believes that it is only because of such education and status that a barbaric act is committed.
Some time ago, we had acute shortage of ironed clothes in our house. The iron-wala who does the job had gone missing for a few days together. Also, he had close to two bags of our clothes in his custody while missing. It was a mix and match clothing week for me. While I was narrating this to a friend of mine, she asked, ‘Did you shout at him once he reappeared?’ I smiled. But it gave rise to a chain of thoughts. The fact was I didn’t shout at him. Why should I shout at him? Who gave me the authority to shout at a fellow human being? I asked the friend just one question. ‘Would I have shouted at my boss, had he been guilty of a similar kind of mistake? Or for that matter any mistake at all?’ No. Then, why alone this man?
We believe we can shout at or even raise a hand at people just because they are at a position inferior to us. In this case and even in the case of the maid-torture in the news, it is ‘social status’. By social status, I mean the rich-poor divide. We think we have the liberty to scream at the auto-wala. The waiter in the restaurant. The driver. The maid. The pan-wala. The potti-kadai boy. Just because we have a little more money than them. We are just trying to show we have ‘authority’ over another person.
Wasn’t the iron-wala at fault, you ask. Yes, he was. But will shouting or screaming at him make a difference? I don’t think so. If I shout at him this time, next time, he will automatically make a point to not repeat the mistake, is a point of view I’ve heard. I don’t think I agree to this. If I am making some one perform a task by using force, then how whole-hearted-ly will the person perform that task? Wouldn’t it be a haphazard effort that he puts in for completing a task? Instead, a firm tone stating emphatic facts would make a lasting impact in my opinion. And this firm tone can/should be used every where – be it the local bus conductor or the BMW owner.
In similar lines of showing authority is the fact that we cane/scream at our children. By we, I refer to both parents and teachers. We call/think it is disciplining. Actually, we are just instilling fear in them. Aren’t we? Also, how long can we sustain the fear is a question. And what purpose does fear serve? Zilch in my opinion.
Lets look at this with an example. My son loves to snatch my hot cup of coffee. Every time, he does this, I tell him its dangerous. He doesn’t listen. I continue this for some time. No respite. Once, I scream at him. The next time, he doesn’t do this, out of fear that I will scream/beat him. The fact is that he has not understood what is the outcome of playing with a hot cup of coffee. He still doesn’t know it will hurt him to do that. He is too young to understand even if I explain to him. His curious mind will always look for a way of playing with it when I am not looking or when I am not around. So, what is the use of instilling fear in him?
I am also not sure if respect could stem out of fear. ‘Respect should be earned. Not ordered’.
The other day, I was discussing child abuse with my mom. She said such kind of people who do it should be shot down. I wasn’t sure if I should agree with her. I asked her how that would help. She said it would induce fear in other people to not indulge in such acts. But, would inculcating fear alone suffice for completely eradicating such evils? Wouldn’t any one who would want to do it work a way out of the policing to go on with their job? Then, what is the way out, she asked. I don’t know, I muttered. At least this is a start point, she said. May be. But I am not still convinced that this is the right start.
How many of us stop when the signal light shows a red, even when there is no police-man around? Even in the so called sophisticated West, I still believe rules are followed only because of the consequences imposed. I don’t litter the place because I know the 9-1-1 is watching. I stop at red because I know the 9-1-1 is watching. I believe a lot of our actions is based on the dire consequences we ought to face. Not on the rightness (or wrongness) of the actions, per se.
In all the above scenarios, I believe what is required is a change in the attitude. Morality should be taught. We should realise that our actions would result in another person’s suffering. We, from our heart, should understand that we are wrong. Only then education is of worth. Some. And only then, we are fit to be called human beings.
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*Stands up and claps loudly*
Two things –
One thing I dont do for sure is shout at anyone who is a helper like a maid or iron man..no I dont…I cant even be firm with them
actually let me put it this way ‘I dont know what being firm means’ my mom does it effortlessly…doesnt shout and yet puts her point across..for some strange reason I cant
1) ‘Respect should be earned. Not ordered’. – How exactly do you get the firm voice? I cant…I either shout or I dont say anything..and this includes to my child as well
2) I think I agree with your mom on the child abuse punishment…I cant think of any other alternative…
Thanks for those claps, RM!
1) I am guilty of shouting at my children too. But I strongly believe it is the result of accumulated stress showing on a smaller being and nothing else. Sigh. And maid/helper, I would never scream at them. But they should know that I am unhappy with their service (or the lack of it!) So, it is either a sarcastic remark or a firm tone. Never a rude one!
2) Yes.. Guess a lot of people agree to my mom’s option. More practical it is I believe.
I completely agree with your mother there – what other alternative? These are people you cannot make sense with. If they had the sense then they wouldnt be committing such a henious crime… Atleast by bringing in a sense of fear of being hurt/loosing their life they might refrain from harming a child – and atleast 1 child will be saved?
And no point in shouting at the maid/cook/iron-walla – why? Its not going to resolve the matter anyway. And yes, do you know that my maid tells me-Im the only one who doesnt cut her salary or scream at her if she doesnt come for a few days? I do scold her-yes – but no point shouting at her… (Its another fact that she takes advantage of it
) so this way-atleast Im trying to earn my respect…Just because Im in a better position financially or better educated doesnt give me the chance to scream/shout at anyone… Sigh! Its a very thin line to draw actually…
Your logic on child-abusers seems right. At least 1 child could be saved, yes. You(and other commenters) are being practical. I am being Utopian!
Again, RS, the fact that your maid takes you for a ride shows the lack of morality and ethics in our society. All of us should build a strong moral base, regardless of where we come from. No?
Though I agree that Instilling the fear is not the solution, I still believe it is a beginning. For a lot of things Morality is the base. But can that be taught and understood so easily? I doubt. So if the fear that I will get punished will be there at least that will deter them from committing a mistake right.
I agree with you on the kids front. For them, we have the responsibility to start from scratch and put in lots more morality and that way they can apply it for anything that they do. Just instilling fear is not the right thing but it may work as well.
But for the nation altogether, why not start with this fear aspect, if it can produce some results? After all, I want to avoid accidents by making them follow the traffic rules. After all, I want to make this place a safe haven for the women and kids. But if people are not willing to take that moral stand (I wont just blame education on this. It is the people’s attitude as such which makes them not follow it) then why not enforce it through strict punishments.
If the rules starts because of strict punishments, then we can at least train the future generation, with both moral grounds as well as the punishments principles..
Just my 2 cents.. I may not be totally correct.. Actually I am just thinking out loud..
Like I told RS, you are all being practical. I am thinking more about a long-term solution that will prevent such crimes all together. And I believe a change in attitude as the only solution.
‘But if people are not willing to take that moral stand (I wont just blame education on this. It is the people’s attitude as such which makes them not follow it) then why not enforce it through strict punishments.’ – Right. People’s attitude change is what I am talking about. But then, sadly, people are human beings only when policed! Sigh.
I thought about this for sometime, these are my thoughts
1.If ironing clothes is my job,I should have certain amount of fear and responsibility to return the clothes to respective owners before absconding for two weeks.That fear is necessary.
2. Shouting and screaming another person will never help.It will only make them angry.
3, When (1) is there, you may never have to shout at me.When (1) is not there then I don’t think you shouting/scolding me will help.
But,
I agree with your amma on child abuse punishment. Only the fear of punishment can control these people to certain extent.There is no other way.
We have an account in a nearby bank.We went thrice in a week (weekdays and weekend ) for passbook entry.The lady in the counter everytime asked us to come some other time as she was busy. A man got irritated and shouted shouted so loud. She still refused.He didnot stop.Then she agreed and made an entry. Next time we went to the same bank for passbook entry, the story repeated.Shouting helped but not permanently.
Here, I guess both the lady and the guy need some life – lessons!
Okay.. I’ll retort now -
1) I will not agree to fear but responsibility is required.
2) True
3) True again.
The fact is that both the iron wala and me belong to the same society. If, I as a part of the society need a lesson on ethics, so will he. So, there. Both of us are equally responsible.
Okay.. I give up. Ammas are always right!
Oh.. I just took the example of ironing as my job. No matter who the person is, what he/she does, what her/his job is everyone needs a lesson on ethics.I strongly agree to that.I am not sure if I expressed it correctly here.
Relax. I understood what you said!
‘Respect should be earned. Not ordered’ – I absolutely agree with this SnS. I was reminded of a quote – ‘A person’s true worth can be judged by the way he treats his sub-ordinates or inferiors’.
‘it is only because of such education and status that a barbaric act is committed.’ – So true. Have you seen how people behave rudely with the security guards who insist on checking the id cards or check bags? Why don’t people understand that it is their job and they are doing it for our own good? One more thing that always hurts me is when something precious is lost, the maids or the others who have less money than us are targeted to check. My heart goes out to them
I think I agree with your Amma SnS regarding the punishment for child abusers
That was Dr. Radhakrishnan’s quote with reference to teachers. And your quote is true too!
Exactly. And when something goes wrong with the system, we blame the same security guards. Sigh.
I’ll rethink my views on child abusers, okay!
SnS, this is a post at the right time for me.. I am neither able to collect all my thoughts on this nor decide on what is right or wrong.. I can never ever shout at people outside my home be it the BMW owner or the house maid or the petti kadai paiyyan. I can’t shout at anyone outside my home. Period.
But, at home I shout at Adi and M. there I said that. I have analysed myself enough and realized that I shout at them when time is running but the task is not complete rather I shout at them at the cost of my inability to make them do the stuff. I am full of guilt right now. I have shouted enough at Adi on this weekend. What can I do if she makes a mistake on her project in spite of me correcting her at least 10 times just a minute before? What can I do when she spills the milk in hand in spite of me reminding her so many times? I shouted at M on Sunday evening because the house it yet to be cleaned, dishes are yet to be washed, clothes are yet to be folded and its already Sunday evening. I mean what can I do here? One solution is I can stretch myself and do all the work before hand but is that a permanent solution? I do it for a week or two and then I get stressed out and shout. where do you think my stress will boil down to?.. If everyone is responsible then there is no issue. But again what is responsible for me is not responsible for M. I mean I can’t live in a cluttered house. It eats my brain to see the house untidy but it doesn’t bother his eyes. I can’t leave a pile of clothes on the floor unsorted but it doesn’t bother him. I can’t do all the work myself either. what are the options I have here other than shout when my unhappiness goes unnoticed?
As mentioned by RM I am not able to distinguish btw shout and firm tone
Aaah.. Ani.. You’ve made me think a lot with your comment. Shall I gather my thoughts and get back to you? Either as a comment or a post. Okay?
I totally agree that shouting is not the solution but would love to hear the other practical way to deal with the stress inside home especially with the better half and kid when they don’t do things the way you expect them to do. Not having an expectation seems to be an ideal way but I want a practical solution…
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This is a very important fact of life that we many times try to vent our anger/hurt/ frustration on people who we know won’t retort back. Be it with good intent or just habitually but it happens with everyone of us.
Your points about instilling fear in children by scolding them (as in shouting at them) produce very long term effects. I’ll write a post on this soon for I have actually been thinking on these lines from the time I became a parent myself.
I agree respect can only be earned never ordered.
‘Be it with good intent or just habitually but it happens with everyone of us’ – So true, ME.
Waiting for your post!
I loved this post! So totally agree with your views. Especially when it comes to the lesser privileged, I do think that we(a lot of us) think that we can shout, abuse, just because we are in the position of power. And we confuse power with respect. The way I look at it, we can shout, instill fear, but respect- that is another ball game. As you say, even with daughter -I don’t need to shout much. More often than not, she understands the reason why something is not to be done, and listens. If she refuses to listen – I follow other tactics like distracting her(esp when she was younger). I feel that shouting or disrespecting somebody is far likely to be the less effective option in the long run.
Child abusers – I would hope that they get it back really badly -so I can’t help with your mum! An exception to the rule
‘I feel that shouting or disrespecting somebody is far likely to be the less effective option in the long run.’ – Exactly, Smitha. That’s what I was trying to say with 500-odd words.
I am also not sure if respect could stem out of fear. ‘Respect should be earned. Not ordered’
I completely agree.
The way you behave as a parent is worth a thought. Would your child respect you even if you were not his/her parent?
Food for thought, isn’t it?
While I agree screaming and shouting is not the best way of going about it, the fact is that sometimes instilling fear in your two year old is the only way he will stay away from that hot cup of tea …and from having that scalding his tender hand.
However that logic cannot by any means be compared to child molesters. Shooting them in the head is too easy a punishment. They should be castrated…and left to live through the pain of it…for the rest of their lives.
‘Would your child respect you even if you were not his/her parent?’ – Really, worth a thought, Ash.
You are right that it is impossible to reason out with a two year old. But, like Smitha says, distraction can be used instead. After about 4-5 yrs, I think as parents we should begin reasoning out with the kid. Makes more sense in the long run.
Right. I have to give in to you on child molesters. Probably (and sadly), fear is the only weapon there. Sigh.
On a break but replying to comments? I like!
Ha ha.. This break is more for rationing my blogging time. Thankfully, I’ve withheld from posting for a day now. **applause** Slowly, will try getting away from the blog per se. Baby steps, Ash. Baby steps!
Why this kolaveri di….er… I mean… why this blogging break di!
He he.. I am back!
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